Retired stallions

Breeding
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Might be a silly question but I’ll ask anyway  :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve noticed some retired racers who meet the current stallion qualifications but don’t ever seem to have been used for breeding e.g

finalfurlong.org/viewhorse.php?horse=2010

finalfurlong.org/viewhorse.php?horse=1681

finalfurlong.org/viewhorse.php?horse=1631 and

finalfurlong.org/viewhorse.php?horse=1896

I’m just curious why they never made stud status as they seem to be nice boys with nice race records. One’s in a private stable but the others are FF boys.

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Can’t speak for Banner Raised, but the FF boys didn’t go to stud because FF auto-retires horses (and doesn’t auto-retire them to stud if they qualify).

If people are interested in breeding to any of them, I’m fine with setting them up to be stallions. None of their bloodlines are super rare, though, so if there’s no interest I won’t bother.

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Good question, I would use 3 of them! I agree some Nice looking boys!
I would be interested in worthy valentine and the first, and the private owned boy.

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Heck I’d buy one Of them if they were stud!

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Looking at them further, I’d rule out Rainbow Time as his half-brother is already at stud.

I won’t un-retire Banner Raised as he’s privately owned, so it wasn’t a script that denied him studship. (Plus his 1/2 brother was at stud.)

If any end up un-retired, they could end up at auction in/after 2017, but this year’s auctions already have studs in them.

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Cool will keep my eyes open, need to write down their names! :slight_smile:
Still watching to see what happens with Starzen too!

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Thank’s for the explanation.

I’d be interested in seeing The First especially, as I’d like to see if he’s as effective as a stallion as Nightfight :slight_smile:

I guess there’s plenty of Worth blood already although if Worthy Valentine was available I’d probably use him if he was reasonably priced.

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Weird… you know I can’t remember why I would have retired him and not put him at stud if he was qualified.

I don’t know if you’d agree to this Shanthi, but if people are interested I would be willing to donate him to FF to have at stud.

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I would use him , he might cross well with a few of my mares. :slight_smile:
I love the wizard lines :slight_smile:

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Would love to see him, I’m a big Wizard fan too so he gets a vote from me too :slight_smile:

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I’d be interested in sending a few mares to Banner Raised too. It may have been about the horse limits back then + his 1/2 sibling at stud, but I’d be willing to give him to FF to put him up at stud  :wink:

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Re: Banner Raised, it also may have been that stud qualifications changed recently?

The question then becomes should we bring him back to serve as a stud? If we do, it does open the question of whether or not we should retroactively retire retired stallions to stud. (Does that sentence make any sense?)

I know way back when certain stallions were re-activated retroactively (e.g. Moonover Boy, Highland Laird, etc.) because of a change in the guidelines. So, the precedent is there.

The only other one that qualifies now and was retired as a stallion is Duplicate Copy (finalfurlong.org/viewhorse.php?horse=1438). I wouldn’t mind seeing the No Duplicate line continue.

I’m not quite sure what to think, since when old stables are finally deleted it will change the current situation drastically. As of right now, however, it does feel that many stallions are getting full books pretty easily and therefore having more stallions in the game, especially from non-Worth/Rogue lines, might be a good thing.

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Thanks Cat. I thought it used to be 10 stakes wins or something like that for stallion qualification, but I wasn’t sure.

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Yep, you’re right, Lindsay. Forget when it changed, but now it’s 7 SW, including a Gr. 1.

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I would like the “duplicate” line around again too. I think I have or had 1 with those lines. Ok I’m confused not sure if the qualifications I have copied and saved as a note is now or then.?  I have a boy I’m keeping n eye on, but I would hope I am following the correct one. Lol
Is this the correct one to follow?  These were sent to me.

Must have 7 stakes wins.
Must have at least 1 G1 of the 7.
If he only has 7 stake wins and 1 grade 1 win then he must have placed in at least 10 stakes races.

He has to meet all the requirements not just one of them.  For instance he can’t just be placed in a bunch of stakes races and only have 1 win in a grade 1.  He has to have at least 7 stake wins.
  Now if he has 10 stake wins does he automatically qualify??

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The 10 SW were the old requirements. Now, your colt must have at least one Gr. 1 SW in order to become a stud.

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Could you clarify please, Cat?

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Yes, given that logic, none of those boys would have qualified at the time.

Which leads me to believe they should stay retired. The only reason Moonover Boy and Highland Laird got retroactively added back into studdom was that the BPF rule changed - they had been stallions before, so they were just given back stallion status (they already qualified through racing).

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I’d like to use Worthy Valentine, because his dam is GCh. A.P. Valentino (G) - and there is only one other What’s It Worth son with GCh. titled mare, WCh. Express Yourself.

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Looking it up - the qualification rules changed at the start of 2014, and these studs all retired in/before 2013.

Voting them in because we’d like to breed to them isn’t an option. There are lots of colts who don’t meet the requirements that I’d like to breed to, but since they don’t meet the requirements, I can’t.

(Sorry - should have looked that up yesterday, but I was at work and trying to multi-task.)