Fellow newbies, how've you been doing?

General
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So, Trae and Xavitor, what

ideas do you have to make getting into the game easier? Aside from things that are already

on the “to-do” list (ie revamping schedule and implementing workouts)?

Would having a

“glossary” type page be of assistance? Shanthi and I’ve tried coming up with features to

make the game newbie friendly and I think most of what we’ve thought of is in place so if

you’ve got something that you’re like "Man, having this would make this game so much

easier" please let us know!

We’re happy to help, but I’m not entirely sure what your

complaint is, Trae, other than the schedule is a bit lacking in low level races.

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Hi Andrea,

It does seem

like the things on your to-do list will make the game easier for us newbies to get ‘hooked’

on. I’m going to quote a friend without asking permission, but he maybe hit the nail on the

head.

That pretty much sums up my feelings, too. I mean when I first

joined, I hit the forums 4 or 5 times a day to see what’d gone on. :slight_smile:

So I think really

it comes down to a cultural difference as much as anything. I took two days off of work to

play Halo 2 when it came out, y’know? And I played it until my eyes bled. So for me, its

taking some adjustment to get used to the idea that FF really IS real time and checking the

site 5 times a day isn’t going to make things go any faster! :slight_smile: Once training and more low

level races are in, there’ll be a lot more buttons to push and levers to pull, so to speak.

Give me flashing lights! I’m an ADD child! :slight_smile:

One thing I could think of, though, is

letting us enter a horse into a race that is quite a ways out in the future, then sending off

a reminder email a few days before the race. That way I could “set it and forget it” and be

pleasantly reminded that my horse is going to race soon. Instead what I do is jot down on a

piece of paper, or in the “Owners comments” that there’s a race good for my horse on such

and such a day 3 weeks from now, but then by the time 3 weeks comes around I’ve forgotten

all about it and I miss the race. Doh!

As an example, I play Chess and Go online in a

turn-based way. The sites where I play will ping me with an email when its my turn to move.

That way I don’t have to keep checking the site, only to find out that nothing has changed.

Because when that happens, it leads to apathy.

Anyway, that might help keep me engaged

over longer periods of time. Well, or more accurately it would ‘re-engage’ me when the time

to race came along… Other similar email alerts would help, too. Like being able to set a

tickler to be sent if someone puts a mare up for General Sale for less than $15,000 (as

an example).

I guess the frustration, for me, sets in when I was visiting every day and

really having nothing to do most days. So I got out of the habit of visiting and honestly,

forgot about FF until a friend reminded me of it.

But again, Shanthi says y’all are

closing in on your target numbers anyway, and I’m pretty clearly not your target audience (I

came here because it seemed like a fascinating simulation, not because I’m a horse racing

fan…if you decided tomorrow to dump horses and make a Tribble Racing Sim I’d still be

interested because I’m intrigued by the systems that drive the sim.) So it all may be

moot.

But I do really enjoying talking about simulations and games, so I appreciate you

hearing me out. In a former life I was an editor of a computer gaming magazine, so this kind

of thing is in my blood. And since I’m a web developer by trade now, the whole way you’ve

built the game online is really interesting to me, too. Its quite an impressive

project!!

Oh, one other small thing that would help me, is having the FAQ page available

as a link at all time. When you’re at the “Your Stable” screen, you can’t access the FAQ

to look up stuff. In fact, I’d love it if it just popped open in a second, smaller window so

I could just leave it open as I figured stuff out (I use Firefox and do generally end up

opening it in a 2nd tab anyway).

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Xavitor, have you read through the FAQ? <a

href=‘Final Furlong Help’ target=‘_blank’>This page defines

what each race type is and what horses are suitable for that race type.

As for how to pick

claimers to buy…generally, I’d ask myself several questions:

  1. has the horse shown

itself to be moderately consistent? (i.e. on the board, say, at least 30% of the time)
2.

does the horse show potential to improve? (i.e. the horse has only raced at one distance, or

on one surface, or with one set of equipment, etc)
3. does the horse look to be immature, at

its peak, past its prime, etc? knowing this will help judge its future money earning

potential
4. has the horse earned any money?
5. what percentage of the claiming price has

the horse won?
6. does the horses’ relatives give any indication of its potential? (i.e.

his sire was awesome over fences but sucked on the flat, his 1/2 sibs were great endurance

runners, etc…some indication that a change in race/equipment/surface might help this

horse)

Based on the answers to those questions, you can figure out if the horse is worth

the claiming price. (Theoretically…all racing’s a game of luck :stuck_out_tongue:)

Take race #3 from

12/1. We had 6 horses in the race.
Waccamaw

  1. his RR

(pre-12/1) is 10-1-2-2-0 $19,000 - this is 50% on the board, so this horse is pretty

consistent
2. he has been kinda all over the place, and this is his first SC start
3. hard

to say, given that he didn’t race at age 2, but you can assume he’s either near his peak or

at it based on his age/birthday (early foals mature quicker)
4. yes
5. 190%
6. not really

  • he could potentially be the best foal out of this

mare

SoulOfTheGame

  1. his RR (pre-12/1) is

23(5)-4-7-2(1)-5(4) $126,050 - this is 78% on the board, so this horse is quite

consistent (especially for the stakes)
2. he seems to enjoy steeplechase
3. again, hard to

say, given that he didn’t race at age 2, but you can assume he’s either near his peak or at

it based on his age/birthday (early foals mature quicker)
4. yes
5. 1026%
6. his 4yo

brother is a SW but appears very inconsistent - however, he also likes

jumping

Silent Echo

  1. his RR (pre-12/1) is 20-0-5-3-2

$30,550 - this is 55% on the board, so this horse is pretty consistent, though still a

maiden
2. his record has been improving the past few months
3. this is his best year as a

4yo, so you assume he’s at his peak
4. yes
5. 300%
6. his 5yo older brother had his best

year as a 2yo on the flat

Bluberi Horse Two

  1. his RR

(pre-12/1) is 15-0-4-2-2 $24,600 - this is 53% on the board, so this horse is pretty

consistent, though still a maiden
2. he looks good on every surface but wet
3. again, hard

to say, given that he didn’t race at age 2, but you can assume he’s either near his peak or

at it based on his age/birthday (early foals mature quicker)
4. yes
5. 240%
6. he has 2

stakes-level siblings, so could improve

Gilded Beauty

  1. her

RR (pre-12/1) is 7-0-1-2-1 $7,900 - this is 57% on the board, so this horse is pretty

consistent, though still a maiden
2. she looks good on fast tracks, at least :wink:
3. she’s

only run this year, but she’s 6, so you have to assume that she’s probably slightly past

her peak
4. yes
5. 79%
6. no in-game relatives

[u]A.P.

Uno[/u]

  1. his RR (pre-12/1) is 24-2-1-3-0 $44,050 - this is 25% on the

board, so this horse is not very consistent
2. he looks pretty inconsistent/untalented this

year
3. he’s 5, and his best year was 2007, so you assume he’s past his peak
4. yes
5.

440%
6. he has a winning sister

Given that, we have some nice horses and some

questionable ones. If I were to “rank” these horses in order of preference for claiming

them, I’d rank them:

  1. SoulOfTheGame
  2. Waccamaw
  3. Silent Echo
    4/5. Bluberi Horse

Two/Gilded Beauty (GB could make a nice/cheap broodmare next year, otherwise she’s clearly

#5 pick)
6. A.P. Uno

I would say any but A.P. Uno are worth the claiming price, though

only the top 3 are likely to earn that much very soon.

So if we look at just the top 3

picks, we see that they came in 2nd, 1st, and 3rd respectively. The bottom 2 picks finished

a distance 5th/6th.

Had we claimed any of the top 3 picks, we’d have a horse that is

50-78% on the board, shows good consistency/ability, and has already earned over the claiming

price. Also, as you can see, Waccamaw clearly likes jumping, so he will likely improve

further in the future.

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So, Trae, are you basically

expecting a professional level/quality game from 2 college students who code in their spare

time? Since if you are…I’d like to think that FF will get there eventually…but not

anytime soon.

Yes, I have tons of user-friendly bells and whistles to add in (training,

workouts, alerts, automatic actions, easier-to-use interfaces, etc). But the main focus of

this game is the racing/horses, not the bells and whistles. So until I have racing code that

I’m happy with (i.e. doesn’t have 400-something length margins, doesn’t try and

compulsively injure every horse randomly, produces consistent/realistic results, etc.) I’m

not going to devote a ton of time to adding in bells and whistles.

And you’re right…I’m

not going to beg and plead for you to stick around. That’s not to say that I dislike you or

don’t want you as a member, but it’s more work for me to have a member that’s not really

that interested than to just have someone leave.

However, if you have any explicit

suggestions (not just “make it cool!” or “make it so that I can play quicker!”), feel free to

suggest away. If not, then we’ll just have to stick with what we have - right now, that’s

me with not much free time at all for the next 3 weeks or so (and possibly not much free time

after I start a real job), and Andrea also with not much time. We

are working on stuff, it’s just a lot slower than in previous

months/years as we’re both getting busier in that weird place known as the real world.

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Also, on the subject of

wanting to log in 5 times a day and have something to do…that’s fine when you have the

time, but what if you don’t? I’ve seen sim games where you DO have to log in that many

times just to FEED your horse, and if you don’t, they die. What happens if you take a day

trip, or it’s a holiday with family, etc?

Having a game that has a ton of activities to

do is good, but they also need to be in moderation. (Or have some sort of “slower pace”

version so that you can take a “day off” without catastrophes happening.)

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I really like this game so

far. I still also only have 1 horse, but I’m not in a rush to get more. I’m involved in a

lot of games, so I like the easy-going pace of this one. It’s a really awesome game, and

it’s nice to not have to come every day and feed your horses etc. I tend to quit games like

that pretty fast, because it just gets kind of boring in my opinion. I really like that in

this game you really have to try and figure out what your horse is good at (not that I’m any

good at doing that :slight_smile:).

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:slight_smile: Glad you like it, Sarah.

If you do come up against something that you don’t understand, feel free to ask any of the

older members who’ve been listing their IM names. Feel free to point it out/ask either

Shanthi and I too. We just might be harder to reach than some of the other players.

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Yeah, we won’t/don’t bite

(much :stuck_out_tongue:). Or rather, we don’t unless you bug us about when race results will be up. :wink:

[i](The one exception to this is a reminder that it’s Wednesday/Saturday since

sometimes I completely forget that races ARE supposed to be run :rolleyes:…but Cat’s good

at pointing that out to me :stuck_out_tongue:)[/i]

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Hehe don’t worry I won’t

bother you :slight_smile: I’ve run my own games before (nothing to this extent, however), and I know

how hard it is to keep up with everything! But I will make sure to ask anything I need to

know.

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boggle Um, no. Where did you get the

idea that I was thinking in those terms? Andrea asked a question and rather than just answer

with “Ummm, I dunno.” I sat back and tried to come up with some ideas for her, that’s all.

I pretty clearly said that its probably just a cultural difference between FF and games

and sims I’m used to playing. But that’s not a very useful answer, so I did some soul

searching and thought “What WOULD make it easier for me to stay engaged.” and told her what I

came up with. It certainly wasn’t meant as a demand for features.

Did I not say I

thought the project was pretty impressive? Because I surely do. Its more professional

level/quality than I could ever create, and I make my living doing this stuff.

I never in a million years thought you’d ever beg or

please with me to stick around, or even notice if I left! Again, a big part of this

discussion that I started was concerned with "Are the other newbies doing ok or are they

frustrated." and if you’re at capacity with your established crowd, that becomes a moot

point, that’s all I’m saying. If you don’t NEED more newbies, and the established folks

are happy and sticking around, then it doesn’t matter one bit if the newbies are doing ok or

not. That’s all.

And I’d like to point out that if I wasn’t really interested, I

wouldn’t be putting this much energy into a discussion with you. I am very interested in

the simulation and the systems here. I’m fascinated by it. The subject (horse racing)

isn’t that important to me, but the style of ‘building an empire’ or 'raising a herd of

genetically realistic creatures’ are both fascinating to me.

I truly, truly apologize if

I’ve offended you. I’m by nature a very ascerbic person and I’ve been trying to be careful

with my words here, but apparently not careful enough. From here on out I’ll just shut up

and play the game quietly. :slight_smile:

Though one last thought…that post you wrote about the

claiming race and how you’d evaluate the horses in it? That is PURE GOLD…I learned a ton

by ‘looking over your shoulder’ so to speak.

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I’m not offended, Trae, it

just seems like you’re suggesting that FF become more like the games you’re used to (Halo,

etc). For example:

I will probably implement something like this

in the future, but it’s pretty low on my priority list. My goal isn’t to make it so that

members only log in once a month and do all their stuff at one

time.

This is true, but by doing this you’re basically playing a

computer game that happens to be online. Part of the goal of FF (and why I don’t want more

than 200 members max) is the personal interaction. If the only things you interact with are

your e-mail client and web browser, you may as well save everyone some time and just go buy a

computer/console racing game.

Eventually the interface will get overhauled, but for now,

it’s pretty easy to just open the FAQ in a new tab/window before you log in.

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Thanks for indulging me here,

lets see…

For me, who started knowing virtually nothing, I

guess I needed a Racing 101. The FAQ is great and answered a lot of my questions, as are the

forums, particularly the rules regarding which races can be entered in the racing forum. (eg.

I originally entered Conny in a claiming race for her first race but when I read that it was

against the rules scratched her and entered her in the allowance instead.)
What I was

missing what the jump off point, the FAQ is like a programming language reference, if I know

what specific part of a subject I’m interested in I can find out the details. My problem was

that my question was much broader and basic along the lines of where do I start? I needed to

know some of the things mentioned here already, which races should I enter? how many horses

and what type of horses should I try and buy? How much should I expect to pay? How much money

should I keep to ensure I don’t go bankrupt?
Something like that in the FAQ, maybe

including Shanthi’s claiming guide would be an excellent

enhancement.

Thankyou Shanthi, this is exactly the kind of information I need! I

have been through the FAQ but admit I haven’t read all the entries, usually I go in there

when I’m trying to work something out and think I may have even opened that page which does

clearly explain the maiden race, just didn’t stick at the time as I think I was looking for

different information.

For race history (point 1), I guess since it is the stats that

follow the horsename and therefore obvious enough for even I to pick up on I’ve tried to use

this a lot. It does seem to be a great indicator, I had two problems in my attempts at

interpretation. I’ve had difficulty with SC races, maybe because some horses have pre-SC

places? I was completely off when I tried to use this for judging a race outcome, but I had

reasonable luck with normal races so have stuck with them. The other problem for me was that

most of the claiming races I looked at many of the horses had only run three or four times

and rarely had places or all had fourths so when I did my claiming I looked for other

factors.
I think it will take a while for me to judge point 2 properly but it makes sense to

me. point 3 is a complete eye opener for me, I did read some mention of race form coming to a

horse and lasting around a year but never understood how to determine if a horse was peaking

or not. From what you’ve said here I’m thinking age and race history seem to be the key

elements?
OK point 4 and 5 are money, even I can’t miss that number with the dollar sign

after the horse. Does it matter how much money? Is a horse with $5000 better than one

with $3000? I notice that the 440% of the claiming for AP Uno didn’t help, so this is

less significant than the other factors?
With point 6, it almost sounds like you’re saying

you might be able to choose equipment based on related horses?

I suppose if there’s one

question I’d like an answer to it would be, did I make a mistake trying to pick a claiming

horse from a group with only a few races run?

I really appreciate all this help.

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That’s a pretty broad question, and it depends on what horse

you start with. Generally, though, people start by entering races and hoping their horses

will earn money. :wink:

Again, this isn’t an easy FAQ

question since it’s so subjective. It depends on what your horse’s GOT is, what races

they’ve been in before, what races are available, what entry fee(s) you can afford,

etc.

Again, this is subjective. What do you want to do? Some farms

are mostly racers, some are mostly breeders, some of the big stables have a ton of everything

:wink:. Generally when you’re new, you want to buy horses that can earn you money asap. This

means no babies, no studs (or VERY cheap studs), and few broodmares.

Depends on the horse, and the

circumstances. Horses in auctions may go for much more/less than they would in a private

sale. Horses who have nice bloodlines or proven race/breeding records will fetch more money

than those who don’t.

Well, your main expenses that will always happen are

taxes. You can view what your taxes will be if you do nothing else in the game until 12/31.

The other expense(s) depend on the horses you own…entry fees for racers and stud fees for

mares, primarily. Other than taxes, there’s no set amount that you “need”, but it is good

to stay above $10,000 at all times, if possible, so that then if your horse decides to

take a month/season-long vacation from actual running and spend it staring at the rest of the

fields’ pretty tails, you’ll be able to still afford entry fees for him when he does decide

to actually move again. :wink:

Horses can be

immature until age 2 or as late as 5 years (!). Once they hit their peak, it can last

anywhere from ~1 year to ~3 or even 4 years. Once they are past their peak, they again

suffer in their racing ability, though this may be slightly less than when they were

immature, as they now have racing experience. (Babies suffer a minor penalty until they get

used to racing).

Depends on what race it is. For this race, the claiming price

was $10,000, so $5,000 probably would be better than $3,000. However, if it

were a $5,000 claimer, it’d be a bit more negligible. Also, it depends on how the

money is distributed. For example, SoulOfTheGame had a ton more earnings than any other

horse, but he also raced in stakes. If you have a horse that got a distant 5th in a stakes

and therefore has $50,000 in earnings compared to a horse that’s won 2 claimers and

placed a few times and only has $10,000, I’d take the winner.

For A.P. Uno, the fact

that most of his money was earned over a year ago was the deciding factor. If he’d still

been consistently earning money today, it’d be a different story, but his RR for this year

is something like 11-0-0-1-0…not very impressive, and certainly not an indication that

he’ll win back $10,000 for you anytime soon.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say you can choose equipment, but

you can at least get an idea of what sort of “max potential” your horse might have. If he’s

1/2 sib to 5 multi-millionaires, you can guess that, unless his sire is a complete dud, he’s

got more potential to do well than a horse that’s 1/2 sib to 5 winning horses. Likewise, if

you know that all of his sibs love jumping, you might want to switch him to jumps sooner than

you might a different horse.

No…it’s just harder to pick the

“winning horse” when most of them haven’t raced much. I picked an “easy” race to analyze

here…all of the horses have raced at least 10 times, and they’ve tried different

surfaces/distances.

Also, for FF-owned horses (assuming they’re entered early enough to

be claimed…which is rare!), it’s all a crapshoot. FF horses are automatically entered via

a script, so literally no thought goes into what race they’ll go into aside from how long

it’s been since they raced, and what race(s) they qualify for. So you could buy a FF horse

that’s 5-0-0-0 and put some equipment on it or put it in a race that actually seems to match

its GOT, and have a winner. Or, you could find a FF horse that’s 8-3-2-1 because it’s only

run in 5-horse races and gotten lucky, and then it would lose the next 5 races you enter it

in because the fields are larger.

Hope this helps.

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Personally I think that the

newbies have taken this a little bit too far [Jason always likes to cause controversy]. Maybe

someone needs to remind you that this is a game. For fun. You know? Fun?

If you think that

you can’t find races or don’t know how to plan races or whatever, buy a diary, print of the

schedule and zippo, you got an easy way to plan. I did this, but I only did it for stakes

because that’s all my horses care about. And me for that matter. If you have a little FF

book you can keep track of everything in the game. Do it, it works.

No more features

please!!! I’m already run offa my feet trying to keep track of around 140 horses - racing,

breeding, selling, buying… Argh, it’s too much. I don’t know what you expect, but FF is

perfect how it is.

Stop whinging about figuring out your horses. Newbies have only got a

few so it can’t be that hard. Try working out a string of 35 horses. 15 of them 2YOs. Run

your horses in cheapo races till you know they can perform how you want them to. No wonder

y’all are poor, racing a horse that can’t even place in an allowance isn’t going to win a

stakes.

Make smart purchases. Shanthi’s been through this with claimers so I don’t need

to go on about it again. Also, track a horse for a month. See how it does. Let the previous

owner figure it out for you. Then offer some dosh for it. I don’t want crappy allowance

runners in my stable so please, take them away!

Remember how much work is put into making

this game how it is. Shanthi and Andrea do a wonderful job. FF is not just their only

past-time you know? I’m sure you have a life so let them have one instead of making long

stupid threads like this. Sure, if you have a question, go hard. But, read the FAQ properly

first. I could answer a tonne of question y’all asked by just taking some time-out to read a

couple of pages.

Use common sense.

Enjoy the game for what it is. It’s awesome. Part

of the fact that it is so awesome is the fact that you have to learn about your horses.

What’s the fun in just being gifted with a horse that wins everything and you don’t have to

think? I know there are some horses out there like that, but name me one undefeated horse

this year. Please do, cos then I’ll buy it.

I don’t wanna see Shanthi and Andrea having

to make excuses for everything that’s not up to some peoples standards. It’s a waste of

their time and quite frankly of yours. Give them a break. Everyone is a newbie and everyone

has to dig out of their holes. I once had $10,000 left when I first started. Lucky I was

brainy about it all…

So yeah… I don’t care if you think this thread is an 'I hate

newbies thread’. That is so not what it is. Newbies rock. What I’ve said is how it is.

You’re entitled to your opinion, but make constructive opinions. What’s with a free, no

money race?

Can’t be bothered writing anymore, so yeah… Have fun and good luck.

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Wow Jase, not used to you

being our “knight in shining armor”… But dont’ worry, Shanthi and I have no plans to redo

the entire game to turn it into digiturf or something. :slight_smile: And I don’t think we’re taking

this personally, we’re just trying to get suggestions for things to help out new

players.

Granted, I’m still confused why Trae is both saying that we need to make it more

immediately addictive and saying he wants to be able to check on it like once a month to plan

his next month of racing, but then, I’m pretty tired :wink:.

But again, uhh, thanks Jase

:slight_smile:
See new players? You don’t want a SW as your intro horse, you’ll turn into Jason and

that’d be bad :wink:

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Thankyou it does help a great

deal! Hmmm so much to digest…

So I did that right, well I raced

Conny at least. :stuck_out_tongue: I think I entered the wrong race though, maybe what’s been posted here

about if your horse is inexperienced start with claimings and maiden races is the advice that

would have helped me at the start. Perhaps I should put together my own newbie’s advice to

newbies post about where I went wrong so that future newbies can learn from my

experience…

Perhaps what I’m forgetting is not everyone, even if they ask

for a racehorse gets the same thing, I got a 2 yo with a single race, Sarah got a 3yo with an

allowance first place, the advice for each of us would be different and there must be a lot

of variables in between. Maybe it’s OK to fumble around a bit while learning the ropes, it

just feels like I’ve shot myself in the foot already while doing that learning, I’ll have

to think on this some more.

If you’re just looking for racehorses to

start making some money do you just look for $10000 horses or is it worth gambling

$30000 on a horse if you think it might do well? If I claim a few horses that won’t

ever make any money I’ve effectively wasted my money or do all horses with the right luck

and strategy have a chance of earning?

The next few are really excellent insights and so

clear I don’t have any more questions about them! :blink:

I must say I’ve learnt more

today than over the weeks of reading horse statistic I’ve been doing. :slight_smile:

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Haha… You always make me

laugh you cheeky little… :stuck_out_tongue:

Nah, you guys have made FF so great. I think it rocks and

yeah, it is TOO much fun already!

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Treat it like claiming. Only spend on a horse what you think it can

win you back in, say, 2 or 3 months. (Until you can afford to spend lavishly, of course :wink:).

A bigger risk can mean a bigger payoff, but it also depends on who’s selling the horse. A

lot of older stables will base their prices on: 1) selling quickly/cheaply, so the horse is

priced low 2) selling based on their perception of its value, so the horse is priced high.

Newbies, on the other hand, just want/need to make a quick buck, so horses they post for sale

are (usually) priced at more than they’re likely to earn soon. (Usually newbies seem to

post horses for sale for about what they’ve earned on the track, ignoring that they earned

that over the course of 1+ years of racing).

As for luck…horses have a random chance of

running completely opposite to their actual stats. So yes, presumably if you put the worst

horse in the game into the best race in the game, it has a random chance to become the best

horse in the game. :wink:

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Excellent! Thanks Shanthi!

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wow, so much reading. My eyes

hurt. :wink: We older newbies only started with $25,000 and a horse I could just imagine

the luxury of starting with $50,000. I bought my first horse for $15,000 and that

left me with only 10,000 in my bank. Be smart in claiming and buying. Just this year I

claimed a little mare and she has earned me almost a million since then. You don’t need 5

horses to get started. Only 2 in my opinion, the one you start with and one you carefully

chose to buy. Breeding stock only should be thought about after your stable is established.

Have fun figuring your horses out and choosing races for them. Try snagging up a couple of

yearlings for cheap in the foal auction this month. That way you’ll have a couple fun 2

year olds to play around with next year. Your stable will grow faster than you know. I just

joined in october 2006 and i’m already having to cut corners to stay with in the racehorse

limit. Well, that’s about it from me. Have fun and enjoy being a newbie. :slight_smile: