Dosage, Chef-de-Race, etc.

Breeding Lineage Questions
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For the Reines de Course, we

have:

[b]Townsend Holly -

B/I[/b]
BRILLIANT:
49(7)-12(1)-10(1)-9(1)-4(1) -

117pts
INTERMEDIATE:
69(17)-15(2)-12(1)-12(4)-8 - 229pts
CLASSIC:
21(5)-2-5(1)-3(1)-0 -

39pts
SOLID:
3(1)-0-1-0-0 - 1pts
PROFESSIONAL:
4-1-0-1-1 - 5pts

[b]That’s

Debatable - I[/b]
BRILLIANT:
36-10-2-8-1 -

22pts
INTERMEDIATE:
45(5)-10-6(2)-7-5 - 69pts
CLASSIC:
27(5)-6-5-6(1)-1 -

33pts
SOLID:
10(2)-2-2-1-1(1) - 21pts
PROFESSIONAL:
4-0-1-0-0 -

1pts

Hollywood Queen - I/P
BRILLIANT:
46(2)-12-9(1)-6-3 -

53pts
INTERMEDIATE:
86(12)-18(2)-22(4)-15(1)-8 - 272pts
CLASSIC:
16(1)-6-2-1-2 -

31pts
SOLID:
11(4)-3-3(1)-3(2)-0 - 49pts
PROFESSIONAL:
9(6)-2(2)-0-1(1)-1(1) -

101pts

Nation’s Pride - I/C
BRILLIANT:
62(3)-6-11-6(1)-11

  • 39pts
    INTERMEDIATE:
    99(15)-13(3)-10(1)-21(6)-16(3) -

278pts
CLASSIC:
50(19)-6(3)-11(4)-11(5)-9(5) - 322pts
SOLID:
15(3)-1-3(2)-3-3 -

54pts
PROFESSIONAL:
9-2-1-0-1 - 5pts

[b]Miss Hayday -

C[/b]
BRILLIANT:
41(2)-14(1)-4-4-4(1) -

91pts
INTERMEDIATE:
61(6)-19(1)-17(1)-5-6(1) - 158pts
CLASSIC:
23-2-4-3-4 -

11pts
SOLID:
4-0-0-2-1 - pts
PROFESSIONAL:
3-0-0-0-0 - pts

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Looks beautiful… I’m

sure you’ve thought of this already: to save you time and energy I hope you plan to automate

it…:smiley: Just in case That’s Debatable suddenly becomes professional when Major’s Flight

wins lots and lots of REALLY LONG stakes races…:wink: you won’t have to do it by hand… ( I

should be dragged out into the street and shot…:stuck_out_tongue:)
Kerry

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Yep, this’ll all be

automated eventually.

(And I think at this point, I should be

dragged out in the street and shot. :wink: Especially since I’m finding all this random

number-crunching code rather fun…)

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Yes, that’s quite wierd

Shanthi… :stuck_out_tongue:

Anyway, this all looks really cool. So basically, every good line in the

race seems to be intermediate right? It is quite interesting when you put it all like that.

:slight_smile: I’m still a little confused, but I’m sure it will come to me sooner or later.

Another

great feature from Shanthi… When’s it gonna stop?! :stuck_out_tongue:

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now you need a standard for

each classification. Just because a horse qualifies as a chef doesn’t mean he’s a chef in

each catagory.

I don’t think you really had to weight the races, because were just

looking for distances. But I don’t know that it makes any difference either. And the numbers

are about what I expected since the majority of races seem to be in the I,C area.

I think

every horse we designated a chef qualifies at his highest catagory than a set number that is

needed to qualify for a second catagory. 1500 would be my choice but that’s arbitrary.

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When you start crunching

numbers like this it does become a bit addictive(except for Jason) since you begin to realize

that they way you approach them tends to push the answer in a specific direction. B)

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The qualifications I’m

thinking of would be something along the lines of:

To qualify as a chef-de-race at all, a

sire must have at least 300 points in any given category, as well as having SW horses as

foals and grandfoals.
To qualify as a chef-de-race in multiple categories, a sire must have

at most a 10% difference in scores (for example, 1000 and 1100 in 2 categories would work,

1000 and 1200 would mean he only gets the 1200 category). Also, I would suggest that both

categories’ scores must be at least 1,000.

For mares, I would suggest:
To qualify as a

reine-de-course at all, a mare must have at least 50 points in any given category, as well as

having SW horses as foals and grandfoals.
To qualify as a reine-de-course in multiple

categories, a mare must have at least 100 points in each category. In the (rare) case of

having 100+ points in 3+ categories, the top 2 would be used.

Comments/suggestions?

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Yup I like that, they seem

pretty fair. We don’t want a host of horses qualifying as that would defeat the purpose…

:slight_smile: Yay this is fun.

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It 's all good :smiley: no

matter how we got there we both have Rogue as the only double. this can only get better as

the data base expands, and you see how accurate it is. The quals might need to be tweeked if

the game expands in some major way :slight_smile:

Jason this is fun because Shanthi’s doing the

drudge work :wink:

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I’ve set up a page to

calculate the potential qualifiers for chef-de-race studs, and it comes up with this

list:

What’s It Worth (218): B-884, I-2068, C-1251, S-561, P-326
Cigar (34): B-173,

I-909, C-195, S-11, P-2
Highland Rogue (35): B-628, I-1598, C-1619, S-363, P-31
Alydar

(19): B-102, I-454, C-495, S-42, P-0
Secretariat (16): B-169, I-450, C-228, S-20,

P-6
Townsend Prince (210): B-45, I-348, C-340, S-25, P-2
Seattle Slew (21): B-58, I-381,

C-184, S-101, P-27
Bold Ruler (14): B-569, I-494, C-143, S-0, P-0

So we may want to set

the minimum at 500 points in any given category, which would give us 3 current chef-de-races:

Highland Rogue, What’s It Worth, and Cigar, with Alydar, Secretariat, and Bold Ruler being

close to qualifying.

Comments/suggestions?

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wouldn’t Bold Ruler make it

in the Brilliant catagory with 569? and if so that would give 4 horses that qualify. I think

500 is a good cut off, since this is supposed to be the creme-de-la-creme. Right?

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So I think the “final”

official list is as follows:

Chef-de-Race
Highland Rogue

(35): B-1354, I-3884, C-2886, S-781, P-158 [I]
Cross Roads

(205): B-532, I-1659, C-1005, S-248, P-74 [I]
The Black (10):

B-460, I-850, C-241, S-57, P-9 [I]
Secretariat (16): B-379,

I-962, C-365, S-120, P-86 [I]
Cigar (34): B-340, I-1139, C-469,

S-11, P-2

[I]

Reines-de-Course
Second

Chance (132): B-503, I-296, C-162, S-49, P-0 [b]
Hollywood

Queen (133): B-174, I-713, C-165, S-199, P-101 [I/S]
Townsend

Holly (32): B-167, I-627, C-109, S-1, P-45 [b]
Lady

Temperence (236): B-12, I-104, C-240, S-29, P-0 [I/C]
That’s

Debatable (111): B-62, I-233, C-101, S-31, P-1 [I/C]
Tea Time

(63): B-154, I-10, C-3, S-0, P-0 [b]
Lymerick (58): B-10, I-20,

C-140, S-0, P-0 [C]

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The only questoin is what to

do with Rogue. :wink: He obviously outstrips the other sires in B, I, and C, but given the 10%

rule he only classifies as I.

So, possibly if the sire has 2+ categories with over 2,000

points, then he would qualify for both?

54

Well I guess that works, he

has to be given some consideration… :stuck_out_tongue:

55

How did you come up with the

last set of numbers up untill them Rogue would have qualified as I,C?

Foget it not a big

deal

56

Now the trick is to teach

people to use this right. :wink:

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One wierd question where did

Easy Goer end up? Being damsire to Rogue I would have thought would get him a ton of points

out of that bloodline.

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Sires only get points for

foals and grandfoals, which means that Rogue’s foals don’t count for EG.

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Is there anyway to tell for

steeplechase? Or do we just think ‘oh yep, he was good and has high points…’? I know

I’ve got a couple of nice jumping mares that should ideally be bred to a jumping sire, or

possibly a turf sire. Or maybe I’m missing the point of this altogether… :blink:

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I have now revised the Hall

of Fame to show the chef-de-race and reine-de-course horses, so please refer to that for the

current list.