OK, so I’ve been looking
into how I want to set up race nominations for FF. In real life, the Breeders’ Cup races
require a one-time nomination when the horse is a weanling. However, the horse’s sire must
be nominated as a BC sire.
So, I’m thinking we can either:
- Keep with that trend. I
am assuming each stud would need to be nominated each year in order for that year’s foal
crop to be eligible. (So if you nominate your stud for 2009, any foals bred in 2009 - born in
2010 - would be eligible for the BC races). Then when your foal is a weanling, you pay a
nomination fee to actually get to race it. I assume the stallion nomination would be
something in the range of $25,000-$100,000 per year, but I’m not sure what exact
price yet. Weanling nomination would probably be $1,000 - $5,000 range.
Nominate each horse each year. So if you have a 4yo who sucked as a 2- and 3-year old, you
pay a nomination for the BC once when he’s 4, and that’s it.
Which would people prefer?
Obviously stallion owners may have a rather different perspective on this.
I would go with number 1. I
like the idea the most out of the two of them. I think the higher quality stallions with the
better race record and number of mares bre should determine what price they should pay for
the BC nominations. Thanks, Brianna-Edgewood Stud
I like option 2. Not
because I own a stallion because I could pay the fee if I had to but because it is just less
compicated. You wouldn’t have to check back for all your foals if the stallion is nominated
and you have the power to choose which of your stock gets to be eligable. Also, didn’t we
already talk about how if we nominate a foal group we have to nominate and pay for the entire
group? That wouldn’t work if we had to nominate stallions and some didn’t get nominated.
But anyway yeah I like option 2 if I’m reading it right.
No, nominating the entire
group thing is for the Breeders’ Stakes Series (the 14 sets of Triples). This is for the
Breeders’ Cup races, run in October.
Option 2 is closest to what
occurs in real life. I like this option.
I think I like Option 2 the
Actually, Dan, Option 1 is
what happens in real life, according to the Breeders’ Cup website. IRL, each stallion must
be nominated for that year’s foal crop (nom. fee = his stud fee). Then each foal may be
nominated for its lifetime to the BC for a fee of $500.
And, just as another
note…even if we go with option 1, there will be an opportunity for you to retroactively
nominate your current horses. (If there wasn’t, we wouldn’t have any BC fields until
To recap: Option 1 = Stud owners nominate their stud every year, Foal owners
nominate once as a weanling for lifetime nomination
Option 2 = Horse owners nominate their
horses every year for each BC race. (This would be significantly more pricey than option 1)
Hmm, this is odd b/c I’m a
stud owner, but I’d probably say option 1. For one thing, I imagine the nom fee would be
lower if studs were also contributing nomination “money”. For another, we don’t want every
single horse nominated to the races b/c only 14 will run per race. So foals by nice studs
(ie Worth, Lonesome Glory, etc) will get an edge on sales prices b/c they have this option.
While some of the 1k stud fee stallions foals will stay cheap b/c they won’t have the option
of running in the races.
Part of my logic for this is it’s frustrating trying to make
any money off breeding horses at the moment . Very few foals go for more than their stud
fees. Hopefully the chance to nominate them for BC races would hike that. Plus, it gives
you more of something to work towards. So new players come in and can (almost) immediately
start placing/winning in Claimers/low allowances and then work their way up more.
dunno, 's my .02
That’s a hard one… I like
#1 'cos of the quality it will make the races. But #2 is a lot easier.
So with #1, if we
nominate the foal, is it nominated every year even if it runs for 5 years??
Option 2 I
think for me.
Yes, Jason, if you nominate
the horse as a weanling, it is eligible to run in any BC race it qualifies for (points-wise)
for its entire career.
And I think I may make an
executive ruling and go with #1. I like it, Andrea likes it, and it’s easier to code
(hopefully ). Plus, it potentially raises the value of foals, which is the entire point of
the Breeders’ Cup.
Yeah now that I see option
one in that light I like it much better. Switching to option 1 for me.
To play devil’s
Say I’m a stallion owner, and my stallion has not produced anything TOO pretty,
and therefore I decide not to nominate. However, surprise, surprise, my boy sires an AMAZING
runner. However, due to my belief that my boy sucks, this runner cannot be run in either
event. That would suck.
But I could be completely wrong, and life sometimes does suck.
This is true, Cat, but I’m
sure it happens in real life, too. Plus, there’re 850ish stakes races throughout the year,
so any/all horses will have plenty of opportunities to win stakes races, even if they have no
And once that one foal does
do well, you can nominate your stud for future foal crops. So only one or two foals would
get penalized for stud owner mistakes. Not like you have to pick for your stud when he’s a
weanling or anything
I like Option 1 too. Just
thought I’d say that even though its already been decided lol
Also, I’ve heard of
really good horses who weren’t nominated as weanlings to the BC races being given the chance
to pay a supplemental fee(I think thats what its called) which is always VERY expenive-as in
$800,000 or so just to enter the race. But if their owner thinks they’re good enough
some owners choose to gample the 800k. Maybe we could have that option?
Yeah I see the point, option
1 is better for me seeing as I have the studs, the mares, and the racers!
Bridgette changes her vote
Okay so I’m going to show
my total lack of knowledge What the heck is the big deal about cup races anyway? And I’m
not looking at theory here. To me if the stud is a dud (couldn’t resist the rhyme :rolleyes:
) , and by that I really mean an inconsistant producer, I’m not likely to pay more for one
of his offspring because he maybe able to run in a cup race. So
is there a giagaintic payoff that you can’t get anywhere else or … just bragging rights